[Julie lets out a soft, tense huff through her nose and shakes her head.]
They can't help me. I'm...
[And here's where it sticks. Here, at the point she can't tell Delmar what's on her mind because he'll more than worry. At the point where the bad decisions start. The point where lying in bed wide awake for hours, doing nothing, feels more achievable than doing anything else.]
... I'm scared of what's in my own head.
[The words come out in a rush, and then there's another of those huffed out laughs as she rocks back slightly and looks up towards the ceiling.]
[Can she? She looks at him, meeting his eyes with a little hesitation. She asked him here because, of all people, she figured he had the best chance of actually helping her in some other capacity than worrying about her.
Julie is good at pretending she's okay.]
... When I got here, one of my friends was here, too. He's gone. [Not what scares her, but she's getting to it.] And I just... I've been here for months, and I've already seen someone die. That's-- [A snort.] I guess that's not so new. But then he came back, and now we're friends. Weird, right? I can remember watching him die, but I can still talk to him whenever I want... It's so fucked up.
[She presses her lips together for a moment, and taps her hands against her knees.]
Things are a mess back home. Have been since I was a kid. I... used to take drugs. Started when I was twelve. I still drink. Smoke pot too, if I can get it. [She frowns.] I don't want to die. I don't. [In that, at least, she sounds certain.]
But I don't know if what I do want is worse. That's what scares me.
[Well, that's definitely a lot, but nothing too outlandish so far. So he nods in understanding, but takes a moment to consider how he wants to respond.]
The situation here, with people returning from death, is very complicated. The trauma of dealing with a friend's death is still there, but without the finality that normally accompanies it, so it's more difficult to process than it would be normally.
['Fucked up' is a really good way to describe it, honestly, but he can't exactly say that as a professional.]
Drugs and alcohol are, as I'm sure you know, not the best coping mechanisms, but again it's very normal to resort to them. I definitely recommend trying to lessen whatever usage you may still have, however; they tend to make problems worse overall, both due to their effects and because they prevent you from actually working through your issues.
[But she shouldn't feel guilty about any of it, even if it's best to stop. The last part of what she says, though, seems to be the most important, even if it's vague.]
[With Whistler, it's weird, because they weren't friends until she sat with him while he died. It was their first meeting - an accident - and she cares about him, but it's still so strange to think that's how they met. Death should be the end, but she already knows that it isn't. That's not a new thing to her.
People coming back alive and whole is what's weird.
She squints at him while he makes his 'recommendations' on her substance abuse, because while he's right that she knows it doesn't help, it's the kind of almost-lecturing that she's heard before.
But then, the question, and it all comes back to that. The drinking, the drugs, everything else.]
I guess... [Julie shrugs, and looks away from him.] A lot of the time, I just don't want to feel anything at all.
[He just ignores that squinting, because it's probably warranted, but he has to do the whole almost-lecture; it's pretty much required. But he truly isn't judging either, considering he understands this issue better than many psychologists.
Her answer is pretty simple, but it's also an understandable one and he nods.]
Why do you want that? What is it about feeling things that you want to avoid?
[The questions aren't judgemental, just meant to hopefully prompt her into thinking about the answers and also so he can get a better idea of what advice to offer.]
[She arranged this, but she's still evasive. Talking to R was always easy. He barely ever spoke. She told him more than she'd ever told anyone, because all he did was sit and watch her.
When someone's talking back, it's... weird. Like turning the pages of a damp magazine. Everything stuck together and stiff.]
Everyone I trust hurts me. Everyone I love leaves, or dies, or worse. And it's just-- [A soft snort.] Sometimes it's like the only thing left is just... nothing. Feeling nothing so nothing can hurt me again.
[Not for the first time, Lance wishes Brennan were still here; as hard as it is for her to handle emotional and social situations sometimes, this is something she might've been able to really help with. She had, after all, taken the same tactic in dealing with life for a long time.
But she isn't here, and so Lance just nods again in understanding, taking a moment before replying.]
That makes sense, in preventing yourself from being hurt again. But doesn't it also prevent any chance of experiencing something positive?
[Maybe this wasn't the best idea. Can someone who hasn't - or, she presumes hasn't - seen the kinds of things she has really understand what it does to a child's mind? Julie knows she isn't the only teenager back home who feels like this. Nora, she'd bet, could have a similar conversation, and she'd lost so much more than Julie had.]
Of course you do. But you also have to decide if all you want your life to be is just protecting yourself.
[And he knows from experience how difficult that can be, and how it can be just as difficult to make the decision to take the risk in hopes of something better.]
[She thinks about it, but she doesn't think for very long before she shrugs one shoulder and shakes her head.]
I guess so. I don't know how to do anything else.
[Maybe... maybe there would have been something. Back home, with R? It was turning into something more - into something bigger than just her. Here, in Hadriel, it's easy to put yourself first. Easy and often necessary.]
Just been me looking out for me since my mom died. Mostly.
[He nods, listening, and that answer isn't too unusual or unexpected.]
It isn't a choice you have to make right away and it isn't something that would be instantaneous, especially if you've spent so long focused only on survival; it's a process, which you can take at whatever pace you want. What's important is figuring out what you want in the first place, and there's no wrong answer. It's your life.
[Julie frowns and shakes her head, picking at a loose thread on the hem of her t-shirt. Maybe there are no zombies here (well, some, but none of them are actually trying to kill her), but there's still danger, and so much of it.]
It's still survival, it's still danger, all the time, from everywhere, and it's worse because we never really know what that danger is going to be. And then there's those guys, the 'gods', whatever the fuck they want to call themselves. They can make us suffer. They do make us suffer.
It is, and they do. A lot of time and effort in this place does indeed go toward survival.
[She's definitely not wrong on that. But, at the same time--]
Still, it isn't like that every single moment. There are days or even weeks of nothing, in which the threat is much less, and that's time that you can start to use for yourself, even if it's something as simple as starting a new hobby just because you want to. A creative activity might be a really good choice, actually, but anything that's interesting to you would be a good place to start.
[Lance typically doesn't allow personal questions during a counseling session, for a few different reasons, and usually dodges them in other situations too. But in this case, he decides to make an exception; he remembers talking to psychologists as a child and a teenager and wondering how he could ever listen to them, because what do they know really? They haven't been through what he has, and so they can say as many words as they want without really understanding.
As he'd gotten older he realized that wasn't a helpful attitude, and people can definitely give good advice on subjects they have no personal experience in, but he gets it. And although he isn't sure that's why Julie is asking, even if it isn't it's not going to hurt to answer, and so he does so very simply.]
Yes.
[Even though it took a moment to reply, his tone is without any hesitation or uncertainty; he knows very well what it's like to be truly, deeply afraid you're about to die, and he's actually experienced that feeling at home more times than he has in Hadriel.]
[It's probably better that he answered. She has her reasons for asking, and he's right on the money as to why that was. It's funny how she's surprised by that answer, but she nods slightly and puffs out another slow breath.]
Okay.
[Her fingertips tap-tap together again, and she isn't looking at him.]
So imagine that feeling, nearly every day of your life, for nearly ten years... and you've got an idea of what it's been like for me.
[He can imagine that easily enough--more easily than he'd like, and so tries not to actually do so--because although it had been less time for him, he very much remembers what it's like to go through each day being aware that that could be it. It definitely gives him more insight into Julie's issues, and he's quiet a few moments before responding.]
The longer it's been, the more difficult it can be to adjust. But there is more to life than just staying alive, although it's up to you to decide if it's worth the risk; I can't make that decision for you.
[Julie can't help but snort softly. The initial nervousness has faded out of her, but there's still a wall there, something solid she's keeping up between herself and Lance despite the fact she was the one to ask him over.]
You say it like it's so easy, you know? [She tells him, shaking her head as she looks down at her hands.] 'Make the choice, it's all up to you'. It's not that simple.
[He definitely gets the sense she's not quite ready to make a change yet, whether it's conscious or subconscious, and people have to be truly willing and interested in doing so for this sort of thing to work. But pressuring her isn't the way to go, so he gives a small shrug in response.]
Things usually sound a lot easier than they actually are, and this isn't an exception, but making a decision really is the first step.
[But that said--]
Do you like how things are for you now?
[It's a genuine question, even if it's one he thinks he knows the answer to, considering she contacted him in the first place.]
[She's back to tapping her hands against her knees, creating the softest staccato noise with her palms and the flats of her fingers. Does she like being constantly on edge? Just waiting for the next moment when things go bad and she has to defend herself?
Julie gives a small, wry smile at her own thoughts.]
[But he's glad she answered no, even with how agitated she seems.]
But in something like this what matters is that you start the process, even if you don't always keep to it, or can't always remind yourself not to fall into old habits, or change your mind for a time; all of those things are normal, and to be expected. Like I said, it can be a long process, but any progress is better than none if you don't want things to remain as they are.
That depends on what you want to do exactly, but I'd suggest choosing a hobby or something that you'd like to do but has no direct relevance to surviving here. Something that isn't harmful, but isn't necessarily useful either; what's important is that you're enjoying doing it, simply because it's making you happy rather than any practical reason.
[He's quiet a moment, before asking--]
Is there anything you've ever wanted to learn or try doing, but you've never felt you had the chance to before?
[Julie laughs, but there's no humour in it, and the smile that follows is rueful.]
God, Lance. The world went to shit when I was eleven years old. All I've ever wanted is for things to be normal. Didn't seem like that was too much to ask, until it was.
[Then, she shrugs.]
But I guess I'll have to choose the next thing on the list, won't I.
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They can't help me. I'm...
[And here's where it sticks. Here, at the point she can't tell Delmar what's on her mind because he'll more than worry. At the point where the bad decisions start. The point where lying in bed wide awake for hours, doing nothing, feels more achievable than doing anything else.]
... I'm scared of what's in my own head.
[The words come out in a rush, and then there's another of those huffed out laughs as she rocks back slightly and looks up towards the ceiling.]
God, that's dumb.
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[He assures her of that without hesitation, though his voice is soft.]
And you're not the only person who has that fear. Can you tell me more about what scares you specifically?
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Julie is good at pretending she's okay.]
... When I got here, one of my friends was here, too. He's gone. [Not what scares her, but she's getting to it.] And I just... I've been here for months, and I've already seen someone die. That's-- [A snort.] I guess that's not so new. But then he came back, and now we're friends. Weird, right? I can remember watching him die, but I can still talk to him whenever I want... It's so fucked up.
[She presses her lips together for a moment, and taps her hands against her knees.]
Things are a mess back home. Have been since I was a kid. I... used to take drugs. Started when I was twelve. I still drink. Smoke pot too, if I can get it. [She frowns.] I don't want to die. I don't. [In that, at least, she sounds certain.]
But I don't know if what I do want is worse. That's what scares me.
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The situation here, with people returning from death, is very complicated. The trauma of dealing with a friend's death is still there, but without the finality that normally accompanies it, so it's more difficult to process than it would be normally.
['Fucked up' is a really good way to describe it, honestly, but he can't exactly say that as a professional.]
Drugs and alcohol are, as I'm sure you know, not the best coping mechanisms, but again it's very normal to resort to them. I definitely recommend trying to lessen whatever usage you may still have, however; they tend to make problems worse overall, both due to their effects and because they prevent you from actually working through your issues.
[But she shouldn't feel guilty about any of it, even if it's best to stop. The last part of what she says, though, seems to be the most important, even if it's vague.]
What is it you do want?
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People coming back alive and whole is what's weird.
She squints at him while he makes his 'recommendations' on her substance abuse, because while he's right that she knows it doesn't help, it's the kind of almost-lecturing that she's heard before.
But then, the question, and it all comes back to that. The drinking, the drugs, everything else.]
I guess... [Julie shrugs, and looks away from him.] A lot of the time, I just don't want to feel anything at all.
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Her answer is pretty simple, but it's also an understandable one and he nods.]
Why do you want that? What is it about feeling things that you want to avoid?
[The questions aren't judgemental, just meant to hopefully prompt her into thinking about the answers and also so he can get a better idea of what advice to offer.]
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[She arranged this, but she's still evasive. Talking to R was always easy. He barely ever spoke. She told him more than she'd ever told anyone, because all he did was sit and watch her.
When someone's talking back, it's... weird. Like turning the pages of a damp magazine. Everything stuck together and stiff.]
Everyone I trust hurts me. Everyone I love leaves, or dies, or worse. And it's just-- [A soft snort.] Sometimes it's like the only thing left is just... nothing. Feeling nothing so nothing can hurt me again.
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But she isn't here, and so Lance just nods again in understanding, taking a moment before replying.]
That makes sense, in preventing yourself from being hurt again. But doesn't it also prevent any chance of experiencing something positive?
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Why take the risk.
[Maybe this wasn't the best idea. Can someone who hasn't - or, she presumes hasn't - seen the kinds of things she has really understand what it does to a child's mind? Julie knows she isn't the only teenager back home who feels like this. Nora, she'd bet, could have a similar conversation, and she'd lost so much more than Julie had.]
You've gotta protect yourself, right?
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[And he knows from experience how difficult that can be, and how it can be just as difficult to make the decision to take the risk in hopes of something better.]
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I guess so. I don't know how to do anything else.
[Maybe... maybe there would have been something. Back home, with R? It was turning into something more - into something bigger than just her. Here, in Hadriel, it's easy to put yourself first. Easy and often necessary.]
Just been me looking out for me since my mom died. Mostly.
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It isn't a choice you have to make right away and it isn't something that would be instantaneous, especially if you've spent so long focused only on survival; it's a process, which you can take at whatever pace you want. What's important is figuring out what you want in the first place, and there's no wrong answer. It's your life.
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[Julie frowns and shakes her head, picking at a loose thread on the hem of her t-shirt. Maybe there are no zombies here (well, some, but none of them are actually trying to kill her), but there's still danger, and so much of it.]
It's still survival, it's still danger, all the time, from everywhere, and it's worse because we never really know what that danger is going to be. And then there's those guys, the 'gods', whatever the fuck they want to call themselves. They can make us suffer. They do make us suffer.
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[She's definitely not wrong on that. But, at the same time--]
Still, it isn't like that every single moment. There are days or even weeks of nothing, in which the threat is much less, and that's time that you can start to use for yourself, even if it's something as simple as starting a new hobby just because you want to. A creative activity might be a really good choice, actually, but anything that's interesting to you would be a good place to start.
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Lemme ask you something, Lance...
[Her lips purse, and she puffs a breath out.]
Have you ever been afraid for your life? I mean, really afraid? 'I might actually die here' afraid. Before you came here, I mean.
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As he'd gotten older he realized that wasn't a helpful attitude, and people can definitely give good advice on subjects they have no personal experience in, but he gets it. And although he isn't sure that's why Julie is asking, even if it isn't it's not going to hurt to answer, and so he does so very simply.]
Yes.
[Even though it took a moment to reply, his tone is without any hesitation or uncertainty; he knows very well what it's like to be truly, deeply afraid you're about to die, and he's actually experienced that feeling at home more times than he has in Hadriel.]
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Okay.
[Her fingertips tap-tap together again, and she isn't looking at him.]
So imagine that feeling, nearly every day of your life, for nearly ten years... and you've got an idea of what it's been like for me.
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The longer it's been, the more difficult it can be to adjust. But there is more to life than just staying alive, although it's up to you to decide if it's worth the risk; I can't make that decision for you.
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You say it like it's so easy, you know? [She tells him, shaking her head as she looks down at her hands.] 'Make the choice, it's all up to you'. It's not that simple.
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Things usually sound a lot easier than they actually are, and this isn't an exception, but making a decision really is the first step.
[But that said--]
Do you like how things are for you now?
[It's a genuine question, even if it's one he thinks he knows the answer to, considering she contacted him in the first place.]
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[She's back to tapping her hands against her knees, creating the softest staccato noise with her palms and the flats of her fingers. Does she like being constantly on edge? Just waiting for the next moment when things go bad and she has to defend herself?
Julie gives a small, wry smile at her own thoughts.]
Making the decision is the easy part.
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[But he's glad she answered no, even with how agitated she seems.]
But in something like this what matters is that you start the process, even if you don't always keep to it, or can't always remind yourself not to fall into old habits, or change your mind for a time; all of those things are normal, and to be expected. Like I said, it can be a long process, but any progress is better than none if you don't want things to remain as they are.
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But when it's all you know...]
Okay, so... we say I wanna do something about it. What's next, Mr. Therapist?
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[He's quiet a moment, before asking--]
Is there anything you've ever wanted to learn or try doing, but you've never felt you had the chance to before?
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God, Lance. The world went to shit when I was eleven years old. All I've ever wanted is for things to be normal. Didn't seem like that was too much to ask, until it was.
[Then, she shrugs.]
But I guess I'll have to choose the next thing on the list, won't I.
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